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1573 days 13 hours ago
me2013
But Corey, I’m not sitting in F3 trying to convince people I played a winning game. You are.
1573 days 13 hours ago
varlto
"Jurors don't make bitter juries, finalists do.

Everyone knows where my vote goes tonight. From the start of this game, everyone was aware that James was a threat to win and he is still sitting in one of those seats. He won immunity challenges, had a great social game (actually spoke to jurors! crazy concept!), and had people fooled into thinking he had an idol. That deterred people from writing down his name at crucial votes. James, you played a winning game and I hope you get enough votes tonight."

After having quoted this introduction by Dana, which is definitely 100% truth, I'll start my own speech + questions.

I'll start with Jimmy, one of the worst people I've met during a group game, if not the worst.  You had a good game pre-merge, kind of under the radar and not rubbing anyone the wrong way (unless for Dana, but your beef was already happening before this game) Then, merge comes. You don't only get mad at me for "targetting you at immunity", which I actually didn't as I was changing the names I was writing almost every time, but you also started insulting me. Then, after that, you have the balls to think that I'd have to say sorry to you for getting irrationally mad at me and still work with you. Then, you say in your speech that you didn't try in immunity challenges... if you really didn't try, then why did you get mad you got out in the first one? Why did you even submit the F4 immunity? Lying in Survivor is sometimes necessary, but doing it in the F3 when everyone knows how you have played is not smart, but what can we expect from a person like you. And by the way! Your answer to Brian's question is kind of funny, we worked together for 1 single round and you did it to save your ass, but whatever. My question for you is easy: do you think ANYONE likes you in this game, like, as a friend? If so, name those people :)

Now it's time for Corey... I don't know how to start this cause, basically, I know almost nothing about you. You say that you talked to every juror unless for Dana and Chris, which is true, but whenever I tried to talk to you in like F10, F9 or F8 you'd leave me on read or answer with things like "ok.", "yes!" or "haha:)", which is definitely not having a conversation. Then once again at F7 you didn't really want to talk to me until I told you Brian and James were voting for you, then you decided to talk to me for that round and work together, and same happened in F6, where you also needed me. And then... surprise! You went to not talking with me again! You are really delusional to think you had a good social game and social connections. But hey, let's be real, atleast you did try at immunity challenges and won some of them, so that gives you one more point than Jimmy, congrats! (even though being better than Jimmy is not so hard...) Anyways, my question for you is the following: Why did you not bother to talk to people who were not in your alliance? And no, to try not to be fake doesn't work because remember that you lied to my face last round when you voted for me while the other 2 were real with me.

And now James, the winner of the season. When I first saw you in this game I knew I had to work with you for a bit but then trying to get you out the last pre-merge boot or the first merge boot. You have been a target for everyone for the whole game and you still made it to the F3, and that's very impressive. You played a flawless games, maybe just trusting the wrong people sometimes like Corey and Jimmy at the F8. The thing that made me the most mad about you is how you protected Jimmy every round when he was not loyal to you all the times, but I do see your reasons as it's obvious no one is voting for him, so honestly good move for you. You won lots of immunities, you had a lot of relationships and you played with your mind. My question for you is, do you regret not wanting to vote Jimmy in the F8? That way, Brian wouldn't have gone home for 7th, at least in my opinion.

Thank you everyone, and congats James for playing an amazing game.
1573 days 13 hours ago
coreyants
Voting out Chris is not betraying the alliance as he was not in it. You made it clear you would not vote him out and I saw him as the biggest threat, so I made the move. It was not a move against you, but a move against someone I saw as the biggest threat. You kept trying to protect someone I wanted out. I never came for you until you came for me. End of story.
1573 days 13 hours ago
coreyants
Varito:

The reasons I ignored your few messages is because I was told you were sending everyone the same message. And you also voted me during the Chris vote. If you are sending everyone the same thing, it doesn't come off as genuine IMO.

: Why did you not bother to talk to people who were not in your alliance? And no, to try not to be fake doesn't work because remember that you lied to my face last round when you voted for me while the other 2 were real with me.

I also just want to make it clear that I talked closely with Silver the entire game and he was not in the minority chat. I did not talk to people who weren't in my alliance because I did not see a need to honestly. I don't see why there is a reason to be fake and make someone even more angry and not vote with them if I had no intention to. Yes, I realize I did lie to you in the end, but at that point I just didn't want my name written down and for all I know, you could have went to James too about voting me so it tied.
1573 days 13 hours ago
varlto
James did talk to me and he voted me at F7, and I admit he played the best game. Also, James was real to me and told me he locked me, he wasn't fake there (Jimmy wasn't fake neither). You were fake.
1573 days 13 hours ago
coreyants
You're not understanding what I'm saying.

At this point, James was immune at final 4.

I lied to you because how do I know you didn't tell James to vote for me so it ties 2-2 with you VS me and we go to the tiebreaker. I had no evidence what way you were going when I knew the other two were voting you.

But at last, it doesn't even matter my response because your decision is already made up.
1573 days 13 hours ago
cfff
Voting out Chris is not betraying the alliance as he was not in it. You made it clear you would not vote him out and I saw him as the biggest threat, so I made the move. It was not a move against you, but a move against someone I saw as the biggest threat. You kept trying to protect someone I wanted out. I never came for you until you came for me. End of story.

How many times do I have to repeat this? When you lie to someone, you are going against them. You are a liar, and you can't own up to it. You made a speech about loyalty which is false because you lied to half of your alliance.
1573 days 13 hours ago
coreyants
I told you I wanted to vote him out. Literally lmao. Making a move against someone not in your alliance is not being disloyal IMO. I wasn't going to play your game and do what you wanted to further your game. I could have tried to take you out, but didn't at that stage. I only came for you when you came to me.
1573 days 13 hours ago
coreyants
for me**
1573 days 13 hours ago
cfff
Corey, at the end of the round, you told me that you were doing avalro. You did not. YOU LIED
1573 days 13 hours ago
coreyants
Lying about who I'm voting makes me disloyal? No. No, it does not when I'm not voting you or anyone in the alliance.

I tried countless times to make that move WITH YOU, but since you didn't want to, I looked elsewhere. That vote had nothing to do with loyalty, but had everything to do with getting out a threat who I knew had connections on my own side.
1573 days 12 hours ago
J2999
BRIAN:

James - Things you did. That. I am so proud of you! People saw you as the biggest threat but you still convinced them to keep you at final 6. Very impressive! If I do vote for you tonight, I do not want people to think I am bitter since I was very close to you. I believe social connections are very important so if you just want to explain more of your social connections to certain players to the jury, I would love that :) Congrats again.

For this I am going to go with social connections on a personal AND game level, as I'm not fully sure which you want, so will give both.

PERSONAL (non-game related) - haven't included everything about everyone, but some things:
Josh: I talk to Josh a lot on non-game related to be honest, so I know quite a bit about him already, but I guess something NEW I learnt was that he enjoyed a dry New Year’s Eve this year! Also spent Christmas morning at one of his brother’s, afternoon at his Aunt’s.

Dana: Dana hosted a survivor mini following his vote out, learnt of some songs he likes, that he is 19, and I really learnt in full throttle that he’s quite a strong player certainly strategically, I mean I sort of knew that, but I properly saw it, or at least felt I did whilst we played.

Chris: Chris spent 6 months living in Australia last year - Melbourne to be exact, from Connecticut, mostly lives in New York and is going into clinical therapy.

Brian: Brian works at a shoe store! And was working many days during the game. He also has started rewatching all survivor seasons, and was on his fourth - Fiji - during the merge.

Mel: Mel is Australian and works. She also painted her room the other day. We didn’t have many SOCIAL conversations, a key element being time zones and activity, like it just happened the main time we were both online was the last hour or two before votes.

Silver: Silver went back to school on the 2nd January, and fell asleep in 2/3 classes Friday morning. Power move. Does track too!

Alvaro: I learnt Alvaro is a 16 year old from Spain which I found pretty cool learning we were roughly the same age, and this NYE was his first time going out out to celebrate.

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GAME-RELATED:
Josh - I ensured Josh and I were solid since the first moment we were together, and sure we only got to communicate for three rounds on the same tribe, but I utilised these and I definitely had Josh down as one of my very closest, if not my closest (I'll say this a few times, because I had a few people I saw as super close to me, I didn't RANK them as I knew I wouldn't have to vote them out as I knew no one was going to let me get to the end with them), so I feel he could have came to me anything game-related and vice versa, and known it was not going to leave our pms if we did not want it to.

Dana - Dana and I actually communicated a lot throughout premerge, sort of more than we did merge! Like in part it was just general comments, but I learned about Dana's dislike for Jimmy at this point, which was something I knew I would need to keep with me as I viewed Dana and Jimmy both as good allies, and whilst I knew they'd eventually target one another, I wanted to withhold that for as long as possible, so I was able to learn about Dana's targets and then think strategically myself how it would benefit my game.

Chris - Following the Josh blindside at F10, I felt to an extent that brought Chris and I closer, as now I felt scrambling and turned to Chris a lot more to ensure he felt comfortable with me, and a key way of doing that was just generic non game-related conversations. I knew I liked Chris since day 1, but 100% my social connection with him PARTICULARLY at merge allowed me to bring him as a much closer ally, sure it was only for two rounds, but it ensured my position in the game as I had another 'advocate' for me on the 'other side'.

Brian - Well Brian and I were on the same wave length the entire game really. I knew from original tribes we would be good this game, and played together the entire time bar second pre-merge swap, I always knew I could trust him, and felt fine telling him anything. I think my social connection with Brian is demonstrated as like sometimes people in the minority will turn on one another to save themselves (reminder we were technically a 5-2 minority), yet I believe he would never have turned on me, granted nor would I have on him, but yeah that definitely proves I had a good social connection to Brian to ensure he would never have done that.

Mel - Initially I was unsure what my social connection with Mel would be, but after voting her at F10, I learnt that the best card to play was simply the truthful card, so from there on out I was HONEST with her in every conversation, which I think played to my advantage well, as for coming rounds we would either be in the same voting region, or we at least would not vote one another. As I discovered Mel is a straight shooter, it was the lack of socialising we had in the last part of the F6 vote which made me infer she was voting me, which I think I deducted partially DUE to my social connection as it meant I knew what she was about.

Silver - So Silver and I have had an up and down past in games and stuff, so a main focus of mine, granted whilst it was MOSTLY just from a maturity and because there was no point in... not... perspective, I ensured we had a conversation and just briefly ensured things were chill, which I think demonstrated social connection as it made us rather comfortable with one another, to the point no REAL targeting of one another occurred until F6. Like apparently Silver wanted me out at F10, our OLD relationship would have him ensure I was the vote at F10. I ended up not voting him at F8 when that was possible, so yeah I think that shows my social connections with him as it allowed our relationship to strengthen, to the point we could actually PLAY together.

Alvaro - I've not played a group game with Alvaro for a long long while, so it was really about just developing a social connection, and to give us a chance to work together. I think I demonstrated a strong social connection with Alvaro, as despite voting him out a couple times, we were still able to strongly work together throughout for the most part, and a significant reasoning for that IS because I MADE a social connection with him, as opposed to just voting him and then leaving him for the rest of the game.

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SORRY I know that was long and dragged a bit, I guess if anyone sees they can focus on as little or as much as they want, but yeah just wanted to get it all out there for people.
1573 days 12 hours ago
J2999
ÁLVARO:

And now James, the winner of the season. When I first saw you in this game I knew I had to work with you for a bit but then trying to get you out the last pre-merge boot or the first merge boot. You have been a target for everyone for the whole game and you still made it to the F3, and that's very impressive. You played a flawless games, maybe just trusting the wrong people sometimes like Corey and Jimmy at the F8. The thing that made me the most mad about you is how you protected Jimmy every round when he was not loyal to you all the times, but I do see your reasons as it's obvious no one is voting for him, so honestly good move for you. You won lots of immunities, you had a lot of relationships and you played with your mind. My question for you is, do you regret not wanting to vote Jimmy in the F8? That way, Brian wouldn't have gone home for 7th, at least in my opinion.

Thank you for the comments, I appreciate and respect that a lot. To the question. The truth of it is... no, I don't. A 4-4 would have been very possible, so HAD Jimmy been voted, then like a ROCK DRAW happened and one of the people who voted Jimmy left - which COULD have been Brian so that would remove that possibility all together, I mean or myself so it wouldn't have mattered as such -, then Brian could very much easily get 7th still.

For me, with Jimmy, a significant part of this game was to attempt to recover our relationship which I had like destroyed horrendously not too long ago (and I was really hoping I would get the opportunity) so there was no way I could vote Jimmy, especially not at F8. Whether Jimmy was or was not loyal to me the entire time, he was a significant factor in preventing me from getting 11th, which instantly prevents me from voting him for a long time unless he gives me reason to.

Though we did discuss possibly doing SILVER at Final 8. Do I regret not doing him? I'm torn. Part says YES, because of what ended up happening that round and the following round, but also NO because him and I had discussed F9 round and me voting him, and I respect him and like him enough to want to vote him two days in a row. All round this point in the game I didn't want to vote anyone out as I had made social efforts with all though, so I cannot exactly pinpoint WHO I wanted to vote.

But yeah, I don't regret not voting JIMMY, I feel Brian or I were going to get 7th or 6th, at very very best 5th regardless, just because of our position and relationship.
1573 days 11 hours ago
TotsTrashy
Mel told me James leaked our conversations and I am suddenly reconsidering my vote
1573 days 11 hours ago
IRandomal123
You know.. I've listened and observed every one of your actions in this game. I warned people that Corey and Jimmy would be at the end and yet here we are. To be honest, I just feel the exact same sentiment of disappointment.

James, you honestly were just such a big target early on in this game. I wanted you out and yet we still managed to talk at some point regardless if we were on opposing sides. Playing this game is about socializing with people even if there not in your alliance. This could be getting to know someone or talking about things that have nothing to do with the game. Can you tell me what your overall strategy was this whole game and if you do win the game will you buy me a drink?

Corey... we didn't talk at all this whole game. You're absolutely right it is a two way street. However, your statement this whole tribal council just showed me that you were extremely comfortable this entire game. You never saw the need to reach out to anyone because you knew you would be dragged to the end. You saw me as this big competition threat in challenges when I literally won a challenge when the challenge was literally knockout style. Explain to me how I was this huge challenge threat when I couldn't even spell a damn word right in another challenge. I have never actually talked to you before until now and only have heard stories about you from people and see things blogged about you over the years.. and hearing from jury members you are just living up to that expected reputation. I really want to know did you know what you were signing up for coming into this game. One challenge after I was voted out you didn't submit.. and you didn't even bother playing in the Final Immunity challenge. Congratulations you are exactly what I expected from you. So just answer me those two questions of why was I such a threat to you and why even bother signing up if you saw no need to even participate in challenges that would determine you making it to the end?

Jimmy, you on the other hand we maybe exchanged two or three sentences all game. This game is solely about the way you treat people and how do you honestly think you've done in that department? To me, you are the exact stereotype of a typical insecure Tengager on this website. My same question applies to you do you honestly not know what you signed up for? To me it seems you did not even bother actually playing this game. This game is about lying and being deceitful, but to me you just demonstrate a lack of emotional immaturity. I honestly would expect more from you in comparison to some people in this game who are a lot younger then us. You can not play this game so personally and rude and expect things to go in your favor. You are not at the end because you played the best game. You're at the end because everyone else either wanted to be next to you or Corey. My overall questions to you are where is this imaginary feud you're claiming we have come from? We did not talk at all so I'm not sure how this is a feud. Also why do you play games like these if it just exposes who you are to the core as a human being?

Unlike some people in this game I do not hate any of you, but to me it is just downright depressing if this is how some of you act in real life. Jimmy how old are you? It just is indicative to me that whatever age you are clearly does not show. Please explain to me also your relationship with James in this game because it seems a little suspicious as to why you would keep such a threat in the game.. your best move would of been getting rid of him at the Final 6.

You three both displayed all different types of strategies and games. James, you were the underdog who came over many obstacles in this game. Corey and Jimmy you both represent to me 'beauty and the brainless'  because one of you sat there the entire game expecting things to come to you and the other spoke before actually thinking. 'Think before you speak'. I just want to see honesty. The most honest will get my vote. Good luck to you all.

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