The furthest I have made it is 8th. Never higher. People come in with their pre-made alliances, and someone like me, who gets in an alliance that immediately gets stabbed in the back, is left out to dry. Lone wolf from now on, thats what I will be.
@tana: It wasn't your alliance I was talking about. I think when I got pulled into the alliance I was in, there was a premade alliance in it that had already planned to destroy us.