Rhetoric that you must under any circumstances vote for either political party. Votes are EARNED IN AMERICA, and should not be doled out to either candidate or party because the other is worse. If neither candidate has not earned your vote, then you have every right to use your constitutional right to vote for whomever you choose. The long history of having two parties in America will never be eroded unless millions of Americans start voting third party and show the party establishment, that there can and will be other options in the future. By insinuating someone has to vote for a candidate that they hate and do not like, because the other option is more morally corrupt, does nothing but continue the cycle of disastrous American political dichotomy. A vote for a third party candidate is not a throw away, if the candidate policies resonate with you.
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I can vote for whoever the fuck I want to, just because Top20fan33 says I need to vote for a warmongering hawk, doesnt mean I have to.
so we are suppose to waste our time voting for third party candidates that won't win because the system is strictly built for 2 parties and shows zero sign of changing from that without radical movements from both sides
etaco75 I have a degree in this subject, and it is not.
Not in theory or application. It is a vote for a different candidate. You are using the same logic both parties use to keep Americans yolked into a two party political system where they can continue to both milk the political discourse they fuel. I am voting for Biden personally, because I like them.
Also I have 5 friends who all voted Trump who are voting third party this election. So by your very logic a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Biden
im not addressing you zachary bbs but the jill stein voters decided the 2016 election and gave us trump. so yes a vote for a third party is a vote for trump.
they 100% have the right to do it but I just don't see why they don't realize it's a wasted vote. and this election is way too serious and people's rights are at risk and i wish third party voters would be more compassionate to that
i also have a degree in this subject along with a masters degree in policy economics and have researched third party voters! candidates who rely on low voter turnout (in this case trump) benefit from third party voters. happy to talk more in PMs about this i just dont love blogs page political talk, and since you seem to know what you're talking about i'd love to go over what we've found
top20fan33 Our American election system can support a third party if said party gets the 270 votes needed. Furthermore, as a youth of our country and the shaping generation of the America to come, we need more youth to vote 3rd party if that is the candidate they want.
Calling someone edgy for not wanting to vote either candidates further exacerbates the same failed system you critique. Do not look down on others trying to change it, or use rhetoric demeaning their vote. Because you continue the issue
etaco75 Both parties and candidates can benefit from them when it comes to a specific election. I.e mutliple Trump supporters I know voting for Jo in NC, thus there votes for a third party are in no way a vote for Trump.
Furthermore, the statement a 3rd party vote is a vote for a candidate that thrives on lowers political turnout is fallacious. Because multiple people can leave bases to support different candidates. Factually speaking their vote is not for Trump, nor for Biden it is for someone else
Memphis_Grizzlies If we continue the logic that it is always a wasted vote and peddle that into peoples mines, then we will never break out of this two party system.
I suggest you stop the rhetoric as, no vote is wasted when an American citizen exercises their right to vote.
Imo it is wasted to some extent because youre voting for someone who has absolutely 0 chance. Personally, I think the whole system needs to be changed, we need to have a pure popular vote and that way there would be nothing wrong with third party voting. In fact that would encourage people to vote third party. But now is not the election because we all know Trump winning is going to push the country back even more and lessen the chance of third parties even getting a solid chance koolness234
putting the onus on voters is such a non-critical take....... the 2 party system exists because the rich lobbyists have done everything in their power to make it so because it makes their lives buying the parties easier. the same people have made it nearly impossible for any amount of voters to get together and change this system because of how much they have set the red vs. blue ideology in stone.
I don't think you're getting what I'm saying and I think this is a better convo for PMs rather than the blogs page. I'm saying that regardless of democrat or republican when a specific candidate is relying on low voter turnout (so in this election that would be trump but maybe in the next election it will be a dem candidate).... and here's my main point.... ~an increase in third party voters increases the likelihood that that candidate will win.~ statistically speaking this applies.
I respect what you're saying and at least you're not pro-fascism but I do think that practically speaking your arguments about NC voters are more anecdotal and that because of what I said before (again, candidates who rely on low voter turnout are more likely to win when third party voters increase), voting third party in THIS election will increase trumps marginal probability of winning (if we wanna get statistical here). And for a third party to actually exist and thrive and be sustainable we need institutional change which will not come under an extended trump presidency.
again girl i think this is a better convo for PMs but go off whatev
Koolness234 it's pretty much the opposite in Australia, you get a fine for not voting. I think the problem here is people who wouldn't vote according to this would be mainly centrists, and then that gives extremists a bigger say in how elections turn out. So IMO centrists out of all people should be voting, even if both parties are pretty bad.
Etaco75 I do understand what you are saying. However, you did not present that argument. Now are essentially trying to argue a different point. Your statement of A 3rd party candidate vote is a vote for Trump. Is in all realities false. You also have failed to provide any statistics, and have not provided any proof, that if in the 2016 election people who voted 3rd party, if they all broke for Hillary in all the states would have given her the electoral college.
You made a statement that 3rd party voting is voting for Trump. Which is a logically fallacious statement on the nose. No matter how you try to dive deeper, facts do not change the argument I am making. It is in no way a vote for Trump, not in theory or application, as it is very much a true statement that it is a vote for someone else. Also to assume that every single person who voted 3rd party, if they did not vote for 3rd party would almost certainly vote Hillary is a flawed argument as well, as you attempt to predict voter actions in many states when ranked voting is not used. Furthermore, my point is attacking someone and saying their vote is a vote for someone else when we both know in fact it is not, may influence 3rd party voters to not even show up, thus not even affecting the results and giving us an even lower turnout politically.
Also I would refrain from using statically speaking in any argument, when you do not provided any of the statistics you are using. Your point about 3rd party voting may help someone who relier on low turnout may be 100% correct. Although if this was true any major political science course would include this as it is an undisputed fact. Even if it is true, my statement of your vote not being a vote for Trump is correct as well. And a position that is very easy to prove. Look at the ballot, did the person vote for Trump, No then it is not a vote for Trump.
You need to first prove that every 3rd party votes, would then indeed vote for Hillary, then prove that also if they did not vote 3rd party they would even vote at all. For me to even consider buying your argument. You are trying to predict the tendencies of voters in America without any relevant facts presented on how they would actually vote, if they had two choose between two people.
Republicans are bringing racism to this country. They don’t want to count peoples votes.... vote blue no matter who at this point
Sent by unkown,Nov 3, 2020
Btw some of the most racist politicians in America who actively acted upon their racist beliefs, like George Wallace and Orval Faunus, were Democrats.
Imo it is wasted to some extent because youre voting for someone who has absolutely 0 chance. Personally, I think the whole system needs to be changed, we need to have a pure popular vote and that way there would be nothing wrong with third party voting. In fact that would encourage people to vote third party. But now is not the election because we all know Trump winning is going to push the country back even more and lessen the chance of third parties even getting a solid chance koolness234
Sent by Memphis_Grizzlies,Nov 2, 2020
Third parties have 0% chance of winning now, but in the long run, voting for them helps give them funding to become more popular and become the ublicized more.
I can vote for whoever the fuck I want to, just because Top20fan33 says I need to vote for a warmongering hawk, doesnt mean I have to.