I recently watched a video from the Victory Fund talking about how alot of representatives in congress and everywhere call being gay an abomination and that we should get nothing for basically loving someone. They say that gay people should not adopt because it will corrupt the child and it is not a safe environment for children but studies have shown that children tend to be happier with gay parents rather than straight parents plus there are no signs of abusive gay parents but there are many abusive straight parents. They say that Gay marriage should not happen, why you may ask? Well it's because the bible says many times that being gay should be punishable by death but as a GAY CHRISTIAN that goes to a church with all straight Christians. They also believe that being gay should not mean us being discriminated against, there is absolutely no reason to deny us the rights for loving someone of the same sex. Why should we be judged and ridiculed for falling in love just as straight people do? The video I mentioned earlier is below, this fund is amazing and supports gays, bisexuals, trisexuals and transgendered.
honestly i would hate to have 2 gay parents.. seriously that's so weird :X
"im so happy to have graduated grade school. i'd like to thank my dad, and my... other dad."
So, true I love you Aj. They say you'll go to hell for being gay but, that's not true why would od disciminate, if he loves all people. People contradict theirselves. they're entirely dumb.
There is literally no evidence whatsoever pointing towards the idea that children raised by homosexual couples are any worse off than any other children. I mean, unless the gay parents are abusive or some shit, but that's because they're abusive not because they're gay.
It doesn't say "many times" in the Bible that homosexuality should be punishable by death. In the majority of modern translations, homosexuality itself is mentioned only 7 times, and every single one of those verses is - when taken in context, not just when being quoted by some evangelical douche - entirely irrelevant to Christianity.
Take, for example, the most commonly cited - "'You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman; it is abomination.'" This is Leviticus 18:22, and I see it show up ALL THE TIME from ignorant Christians. Anyone who quotes this verse as evidence towards homosexuality being a sin is simply ignorant about their own faith - Levitical laws are generally ignored, and are treated more like a purity ring than anything. It's not a sin to break them, unless you conciously promise that you will follow them; that is, it is NOT a sin to go fuck another man. It is only a sin to fuck another man if you already promised Jesus you wouldn't. Other verses from this book include ones prohibiting touching the skin of a pig (no more American football), tattoos (even if they say "I LOVE GOD"), and round haircuts (the beatles are going to hell!). Anyone who uses this particular verse to "prove" homosexuality is a sin does not understand the religious context of it. It is only a sin if you say it is before you do it; if people go to hell for fucking other men based on this, they're going to hell for playing American football and getting a tattoo of Jesus, too.
EVEN IF homosexuality was specifically referenced as the worst sin ever in every single book of the bible, that's completely fucking irrelevent since religion never has any place in government. The First Amendment to the US Constitution makes all religious laws completely irrelevant. Not everyone is a Christian, so it is flat-out unconstitutional to force ANYONE to follow Christian laws (or Muslim ones, or Buddhist ones, etc.) Plain and simple. The government is NOT ALLOWED to do it in this country.
+8 :) and Zimdelinvasor, that doesn't matter. For one, that constitution is over 200 years old, in a completely different time period. Despite the religious freedom we are all granted is in the government, do you think that will stop people in congress? Republicans (and I don't mean this to offend anybody) have a very strong religious and moral backgound, that, unfortunately, resides on the side of discrimination! This government is represented on what the people want, and if the majority of people want to ban gay rights? It would happen. I'm not saying its will, and I'm ignoring the judicial branch and their ability to rule a law like that unconstitutional, but there will still be prejudiced.
I was lurking and literally just logged in to call Johnsmith a dipshit for thinking the Constitution is irrelevant and for generalizing Republicans and for basically being a dipshit.
OK I am a Christian and I do think there is a line between homophobic and disagreeing. If you are mean to gays and treat them like trash then that is terribly wrong and not what I believe god wants you to do. However, it is not wrong or homophobic to disagree with gay marriage and what not. Just like it isnt wrong to have different religions and stuff. Thats how I see it.
A new poll actually shows that Kids raised by Homosexual parents are BETTER off emotionally AND socially.
I think anybody who wants to adopt a child is a hero, no matter what sexual orientation they are. America will get on the right track at some point- that much I am sure. When? I hope sooner than later.
Also, prove to me that Republicans are not homophobic. It is only generalizations if there is no proof. There has been CONSTANT proof that the Republicans IN CONGRESS (maybe not all outside, but the ones that represent their party) are homophobic and not willing to work with the Gay community.
As a college student who has taken Political Science classes, I can tell you Republicans have made it a PLATFORM of theirs to "protect family values and original marriage." Want to argue about that? Then one is an idiot. In fact, George W. Bush's 2004 win as President is credited to him CAMPAIGNING on "Protecting original marriage," and promising a "Constitutional amendment that will protect marriage." Tell me HOW I, or anyone else, is generalizing Republicans in Congress? You just can't. Noone is saying Republicans are horrible people, just that they are simply not willing to work with the gay community. Hell, they just blocked a repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell last Tuesday.
As I said before, I am not attacking Republicans outside of Congress, they *seem* to be more willing to include the gay community, just the one's in DC and the Governors, all of whom come off as homophobes.
Also, Christians are hypocrites. Their Priests are gay, although they preach against gay marriage and adoption, and yet they "disagree" with gay marriage, or giving gay's any basic rights. Sorry I am a proud Atheist that left Christianity due to their ridiculous teachings about social issues that shouldn't concern the Church at all.
Its is a sin to sleep with someone before your married hince gay sex is a sin cause most gays are not married over god's eyes because only a woman and a man can get married.
The reason why the govt is afraid to allow gay marrige is because SO many people will abuse it. Oh your my best bud we live together, hey lets get married so we have all the marriage gifts from the govt. And also were do you draw the line of Marriage? Well if I can married my best friend? Why cant Sue married her brother I mean she totally in love with him. Were would the line be drawn. Everyone will start marrying everyone and so marriage will be not longer important and all the incentives of being marrried would probably decrease.
Quail, I really disagree with your point. If what you say is true, then why dont guys or girls who are best freinds decide to marry currently to recieve the benefits. And that doesnt happen, so why should it automatically happen if gay marriage is allowed. Also, fear of new ideas or laws coming from a law is not a valid reason for not creating a law. Cuz then no laws would ever be passed, cause who knows what crazy ideas and laws might come from them.
Not only am i gay, but my aunt has been with her partner for 25 years, and they aren't able to wed.. how fucking sad is it these two woman love each other so much, and have been together a quarter of a century, yet can't wed. its fucking disgusting of people to judge ANYONE else and on top of that, create unequal laws.
MikeyD I have to disagree with you that all congressional republicans are homophobic...infact it was the great Liberal leader Mr. Bill Cliton who inacted first the wonderful Dont Ask Dont Tell millitary policy and then the even more wonderful DOMA act. And this was after months and months of campainging saying gay men and women will be able to marry by the end of my term. Futhermore I know that my state Rep and state congressman both of whom are Republicans both voted to end Dont Ask Dont Tell. And also good ole Dick Lugar back in the day voted not to inact the DOMA policy. And Im originally from Indiana one of the most conservative states ever. And as a gay man serving in the United States Army Id like to thank the great Bill Cliton for making me lie so I can serve my country.
I'm only gonna address adoption by gay couples. It's the only one I have the energy for; obvi this who issue should be a non-issue. My 5 year old goes to school with 14 kids in her kindergarten; 2 of these kids have "2 moms" as parents. And I love the kids and the parents as much as any other kid; actually more. To me, at least where I live, it is such a non-issue. Oh yeah, and my oldest sister is a lesbian, and she has 3 kids, and they are all alright. As I said - such a NON issue. It's so PATHETIC anyone would actually argue against gay families adopting. FUCK YOU. That's really all I have to say to those people. ;)
Yeah... What Quail said made no sense. lol I still disagree with gay marriage but that alone does not make a person homophobic. Just like Im not a Catholic but I do not hate them either.
" Other verses from this book include ones prohibiting touching the skin of a pig (no more American football), tattoos (even if they say "I LOVE GOD"), and round haircuts (the beatles are going to hell!). Anyone who uses this particular verse to "prove" homosexuality is a sin does not understand the religious context of it. It is only a sin if you say it is before you do it; if people go to hell for fucking other men based on this, they're going to hell for playing American football and getting a tattoo of Jesus, too."
- zimdelinvasor,
You're wrong. In the old testament, it touches basis with Getting tattoos, being homosexual and killing for food. Those were rules and regulations. They also said you cant shave your beard or cut your hair.. Those were not taken into consideration within the new testament. The only rules that God takes in for a sin is the 10 commandments.
So no, homosexuality is not a sin, getting a tattoo is not a sin, shaving pubic hairs or facial hair is not a sin, and getting a haircut is not a sin..
I find nothing wrong with guys or girls who enjoy the same sex, there are just some things i dont understand.
And MikeyD, there are gay priests but that doesnt make an entire religion hypocrites.. Most churchs such as wesleyn, baptist, united and others require their pastors to be married, not to prove they're are staight, but just for a required amount of maturity. Saying an entire religion are hypocrites is like saying all of USA is asian. We know usa has many races, but it also has many asians aswell.
There will ALWAYS be prejidest in the church of Jesus, NO MATTER IF they're homophobics, racist, prejidest against teens or just the way a certain individual acts. There are things that would be nice to change but you just cant change. Its like trying to change the Presidents and CEO of a company...it is possible but its a slim chance.
Letting prejidest people come between you and going to church is just a sad excuse for being lazy and not having faith lets be honest. I have been through that. When tragedy striked in my family i felt like the church was just not caring or talked behind my back, but i realized im there for one reason, and one reason only..
This country is a Representive Democracy. RUN by the people. If majority of Americans dont want Gay marriage. Then that what the Senaters and Representives should go by. This country goes by what the Majority wants not the minority.
Gay, straight, that is just who your partner is, it has NOTHING to do with how you are, or how you're raised. There are plenty of straight people who are bad role models, who shouldn't have children, and the same goes for gay people, there are plenty of gay people who aren't good people and shouldn't have children, it has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation, it has to do soley with the person.
I have much higer morals and values than most straight people, I believe in God, and a lot of who I am has to do because of my spirituality, but I shouldn't have children because I like men...it's not right.
You can't judge people with choices that are not up to them. It's something about instincts. The biggest reason for abomination is the media. For years things like homosexualism, fetishism and even lesbians have been used for laugh stock in comedy movies and series. The media has that kind of an effect on people's mind. For example in ancient times Greek people said men should sleep with men. So these opinions can be changed with time and place. Right now media uses homosexuality as a thing to mock. So some homosexual people feel it in your way.
